Celebrating our 18th Year! A TRIBUTE TO THE MULTI-GRAMMY WINNING LEGENDARY STARS of THE ORIGINAL 5TH DIMENSION, Curated by Biographer, Robert-Allan Arno ~~ History & Current Events, Exclusive Quotes & Interviews, Rare Photo Collection! Recommended by McCoo/Davis, LaRue & Remembering LaMonte McLemore
FOREVER 5th DIMENSION reports special fans are attending from around the world for this “intimate” but truly dynamic (duo) event! The First Couple of Pop n’ Soul…Marilyn McCoo & Billy Davis Jr. are “just two hearts, beatin’ out loud!!”
It’s a difficult week in music history with the passing of Sly Stone and today, news of the loss of harmonic genius, Brian Wilson. Mr. Wilson, cofounder of The Beach Boys and the creative force behind the group’s surf sound, orchestral arrangements and perfect harmonies, has passed away, his family announced. He was 82.
FOREVER 5th DIMENSION shares this touching clip from 1984’s “Summer Songs” episode of “Solid Gold,” where host Marilyn McCoo duets with Brian Wilson on the ’60’s Beach Boys’ classic, “God Only Knows.” Surely, Mr. Wilson’s sweet, pure sound will soar forever…
Forever 5th Dimension mourns the passing of Sly Stone, a true innovator of multi-dimensional Funk who reshaped music and pop culture. His work with Sly & the Family Stone broke barriers in the late ’60’s and early ’70’s — bringing diverse people together, and melding musical genres (Rock, Jazz, Pop, Soul with Funk) spotlighting bold sound that resulted in unapologetic, unadulterated joy.
Sly’s songs like “Everyday People,” “Stand!,” “Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin),” and “Hot Fun in the Summertime,” weren’t just hits — they were anthems of unity, love, and a revolutionary spirit.
LaMonte McLemore adds: “Some things we had in common: Earth, Wind and Fire consider both Sly & The Family Stone and The 5th Dimension as inspirations. And The 5th Dimension was proud to appear at the Harlem Cultural Festival with such greats as Sly & The Family Stone.”
Our prayers for his many worldwide fans, and his family.
–Go to YouTube and find numerous live performances of Marilyn & Billy (McCoo & Davis) opening their more recent concerts with “Everyday People.”
#MarilynBilly‘s 1977 appearance on the Captain & Tennille’s variety show remains a fan favorite classic with Marilyn, Billy and Toni trading powerful vocals on “You’re All I Need to Get By” and Daryl providing soulful keyboard orchestration. It’s on YouTube courtesy of our friend DeniseRose/In Celebration and we’re featuring this moment at FOREVER 5th DIMENSION for #ThrowbackThursday. ENJOY!
Bonus shot! Marilyn presents with the Captain & Tennille at the America Music Awards circa the 80’s, while Marilyn was hosting “Solid Gold”
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FOREVER 5th DIMENSION is wishing “The Voice of Romance,” Johnny Mathis, a wonderful retirement. Yesterday, May 18, he took the concert stage for the final time at the Bergen Performing Arts Center in New Jersey concluding an illustrious nearly seven-decade career in extensive live touring and on recording. Mathis released over 70 albums and sold more than 350 million records worldwide
His hits “Wonderful! Wonderful!” and “It’s Not for Me to Say,” catapulted him to fame in the late 50s, followed by the chart-topping “Chances Are.” His 1958 album, “Johnny’s Greatest Hits” spent nearly 500 consecutive weeks on the Billboard charts, according to the Smithsonian. In the late 70’s, his chart-topping soulful hit with Denise Williams, “Too Much, Too Little, Too Late” expanded his reputation as crooner of romantic ballads and beloved Christmas classics.
OUR PERSONAL REFLECTION: A friend to the members of The 5th Dimension, Johnny was a fan. In fact, he went out of his way to issue a quote for the back of LaMonte McLemore’s hit memoir “From Hobo Flats to The 5th Dimension,” which I co-wrote, telling me, “Robert, I took some time…I wanted to get it just right for LaMonte!” He stated, “When a tall, handsome young man came to my house many years ago to photograph me for Elegant magazine, I had no idea that his other job as a singer would propel him and his fellow members of The 5th Dimension to world fame. I am so proud of LaMonte and cherish his friendship.”
“Elegant” was the short-lived but trailblazing first life & style magazine for both Black men and woman, and it was McLemore who created it in the early 60’s. He writes about Mr. Mathis in his memoir, noting the way he’d discuss with Marilyn McCoo, “how someone like Johnny carried on the tradition of Nat King Cole before him, how his smooth groove crossed over, how much we admired that quality of connecting with people through pure class.”
Mac continues, sharing this touching anecdote that makes Johnny’s back-of-the-memoir quote all the more poignant, “And Johnny proved that to me personally when we interviewed and photographed him. While he charmingly accommodated the more established reporters from the Associated Press, he asked Elegant to stay behind. ‘Let me help you guys get off the ground,’ he stated giving extra attention to our fledgling, Black-oriented magazine. He proceeded to not only give a tour of his home but to feed us—Johnny was quite a chef, too. This brotherly act defied the cold reputation of Hollywood.”
(Above: Billy Davis, Jr. having sing-along fun with Johnny Mathis and Diana Ross when The 5th Dimension headlined at the Royal Box, Manhattan)
Mathis who will be 90 on September 30th, shares a birthday with Marilyn McCoo. FOREVER 5th DIMENSION wishes Johnny the many blessings of retirement as we honor the joy he has brought to millions through his musical magic and understated, yet history-making elegance.
–Robert-Allan Arno
Bonus Forever 5th Dimension Fact: Johnny Mathis recorded a number of tunes that were hits for The 5th Dimension including “Up-Up and Away,” “Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In,” “(Last Night) I Didn’t Get to Sleep at All,” and “If I Could Reach You.”
Forever 5th Dimension by Arno, a production of The Soul of The Voice, Ltd., copyright 2008-2025, intellectual property, all rights reserved. Excerpts from “From Hobo Flats to The 5th Dimension,” copyright 2014 McLemore/Arno, all rights reserved.
🔥 This summer, our favorite 7x Grammy Award-winners, the First Couple of Pop n’ Soul, Marilyn McCoo &Billy Davis Jr. return to the intimately posh Catalina Jazz Club! Join them for these live special events…
FRI & SAT, AUG 15 & 16 at 8:30pm. Dinner begins at 7:00pm.
Echoing the King Center’s remembrance of Pope Francis, we mourn that, as of the day after Easter, the world is without a humane, love-centered leader of non-violence and hope for global relief from poverty and war. We also remember that Marilyn McCoo & Billy Davis, Jr. performed “Praise Ye the Lord” for Pope John Paul II when he visited San Antonio in 1987. Here is our FOREVER 5th DIMENSION video, produced for Easter season, of that heartfelt duet, taken from Billy’s Gospel album of the 80’s titled “Let Me Have a Dream,” and re-issued as “The Love of God”:
We also wish to happily remind you that Pastor Billy and Marilyn’s ministry, Soldiers for the Second Coming currently presents their “Easter Special” broadcast, one of musical joy and thoughtful inspiration. Watch here and let the message of Easter continue to uplift us all:
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As FOREVER 5th DIMENSION embarks on its 18th anniversary, the enigmatic “Soul & Inspiration” album by The 5th Dimension has surpassed a 50th anniversary milestone. While “The Magic Garden” and “Earthbound” projects share a certain mystique, the “S & I” sessions remain “mystical” in their own right with the introduction of accomplished producer John Florez (as opposed to the renowned Bones Howe) on four of the cuts, and the shift of the group’s label, Bell Records to Arista, with Clive Davis at the helm. Over a decade ago, we even got to release 6 vaulted Howe-produced tracks from the album, and I was honored to do the “guest liners” for them for the Collector’s Choice “S & I” re-issue. And recently, “Soul & Inspiration” along with those bonuses can be found on Spotify, YouTube and more.
We’re pleased to bring you this exclusive Q & A with John Florez featuring a rare, newly unvaulted tune from “Soul & Inspiration,” produced by him. Known for ear-catching Pop-Soul productions, he began his career in the late 1960’s in Los Angeles. Throughout, one out of every three songs that Mr. Florez produced charted nationally, including the hits, “Grazin’ in the Grass” by TheFriends of Distinction (#3), and the #1 Billboard hit, “Rock the Boat” by The Hues Corporation. His clients included: A&M, Arista, Capitol, CBS, Elektra, RCA, and Warner Brothers Records.
Robert/FOREVER 5th DIMENSION: LaMonte McLemore, in his memoir “From Hobo Flats to The 5th Dimension,” says his biggest regret about The Original 5th Dimension recording legacy is that a true danceable tune was never produced. You had tremendous success producing The Hues Corporation’s vibrant “Rock the Boat” which is deemed the first Disco tune to hit the Top 10. Many “5th fans,” too, wanted that evolution for the group. Do you feel you were recruited for the “Soul & Inspiration” project (replacing the familiar Bones Howe, whose cuts were still featured on the album) to somehow bring such contemporary success.
John: Maybe. Who knows what occurred in the mind of Clive Davis (who hired me)? The music business is based on how hot you are with producing hits at that time. Yes, I was coming off the #1 dance tune, “Rock the Boat”. When I pitched Clive to produce The 5th Dimension, I brought the songs we eventually recorded. He liked them and set up a meeting for me with The 5th. ALL of us instinctively knew it was time to try something new. I was only commissioned for four tracks. In retrospect, had we decided to find a disco-oriented tune, my question is, which of the agreed upon tunes would we have discarded to allow for such a track. None! The group and I did what they had always done, finding the best songs available at the time. If Clive had given me an added 3-4 track contract, yes, we certainly could’ve looked for a dance cut. In the end, I believe we achieved our initial goal, to try something different.
Robert/FOREVER 5th DIMENSION: In an earlier interview with FOREVER 5th DIMENSION, you mentioned being involved in the group’s rehearsal of “I Honestly Love You,” written by Peter Allen, with MarilynMcCoo in the lead. Can you give us a flavor of the rehearsals and remind us of how Olivia Newton-John walked away with the recording.
John: Yes, my arranger D’Arneill Pershing and I had chills hearing Marilyn’s captivating lead on “I Honestly Love You” and remember distinctly how lovely the group sounded in unison on their echo line, “shouldn’t blow the chance.” This really sounded like a hit single for us. However, Olivia had already recorded the song for her yet-to-be-released album and had an exclusive on it. In other words, she had “first dibs” if she released it for her upcoming single. If not, we would have gotten the green light to record it with The 5th Dimension. Unfortunately for us, she did choose the ballad as her single.
Robert/FOREVER 5th DIMENSION: “Harlem” remains such a curiously controversial song for its break from more traditional 5th sounds. Nevertheless, it was exhilarating, funky and panoramic, and certainly made for a sassy staged party skit often featured at the beginning of concerts circa ’74, of The Original 5th Dimension, including their performances at the Uris Theater on Broadway. Do you think in retrospect, that it was a mistake to release it as a single?
John: Absolutely. If Black radio had discovered it on the album, played it, and it became popular, then Bell/Arista could’ve considered it for single release. I doubt that would’ve ever happened. It was too much of a departure from the group’s long-established image. However, damn it, it’s a great cut. The group and drummer James Gadsen really kicked. Controversial or not, The 5th Dimension had finally recorded something far less vanilla. I stand by that track and am proud of all of us, including the under-appreciated D’Arneill Pershing and his cinematic string chart. By the way, regarding your first question, “Harlem” is a dance tune, although not Disco, per se.
Editor’s Note: Interestingly, in this newly found memo from Bell Records, “Harlem” was introduced in New York City discos, pre-single release:
Robert/FOREVER 5th DIMENSION: “No Love in the Room” had hit written all over it. A Disco-tinged undertone, a contemporary familial message, cool group dynamics with a mini solo by BillyDavis, Jr. and with Marilyn leading. We know there were politics involved in the single’s ultimate lack of promotion. But if not for that, how far do you think “No Love” would have climbed?
John: No promotion? Ya think? How about no record label deal whatsoever while it was still charting? Due to tensions and misunderstandings with Clive Davis (Editor’s note: that have since been resolved between Mr. Davis and The 5th Dimension/McCoo & Davis, Jr.), he dropped the group from Arista, pulled their album and the single from stores and radio, just as it was climbing the Billboard Hot 100 chart with “bullets!” I have no idea how high the single would have charted, but I do believe that it was a solid hit. Top twenty? Obviously it should have been our first release instead of “Harlem.”
Robert/FOREVER 5th DIMENSION: Fans do like “The Best of My Love.” It’s certainly a different take on the Eagles’ hit. They particularly enjoy a breezy and lilting Marilyn amid the slightly syncopated beat, with pretty group harmonies. You’ve mentioned in our previous FOREVER 5th DIMENSION Q & A that it is not one of your favorites. Isn’t it interesting to juxtapose fan approval with your feeling that “it could have been better.”
John: You try going from rehearsing “I Honestly Love You” with Marilyn McCoo to doing an Eagles’ cover of “The Best of My Love.” No comparison. Not even close. I had goose bumps rehearsing the former to, “Oh well, Clive wants us to do this one” for the latter.
EXCLUSIVE ALTERNATIVE VERSION, “THE BEST OF MY LOVE” FROM THE VAULTS—
Robert’s note: After our interview, John surprised me with a from-the-vaults/his personal unmastered copy, alternative version of “Best” with Billy and Marilyn trading leads akin to what they did on “What Does It Take to Win Your Love” from the “Love’s Line’s Angles and Rhymes” album including the group vibe more in the forefront. I did some remastering and present it to our faithful 5th Dimension fans & FOREVER 5th readers, at this private YouTube link…enjoy:
Robert/FOREVER 5th DIMENSION: “Crazy Spaces” was performed in concert by The 5th and then recorded for the “S & I” project but remains missing. Do you recall why it wasn’t included, or anything about the feel of the tune that you produced, it’s a Bill Withers composition. I asked Marilyn & Billy, and Marilyn remembered it fondly, even sung a bit of it for me.
John: This is a GREAT question. Nobody knows this but “Crazy Spaces” was our “bookend to Harlem” track. Both were Bill Withers songs with drummer James Gadsen and that funky rhythm section. Why it wasn’t included for an album with “Soul” in its title is beyond me. What happened to the original track? I apparently had the only copy of it in two places: on a master cassette tape and on my former PC hard drive. The hard drive got accidentally wiped and the cassette tape somehow vanished into the ethers. This one breaks my heart.
Robert/FOREVER 5th DIMENSION: “Hard Core Poetry” is one of Florence LaRue’s favorites from the “S & I” project, Billy commented to FOREVER 5th DIMENSION he liked collaborating with you on it, too. Along with the album cuts “Black Patch” (from “Individually and Collectively”), “Day by Day” (from “Living Together, Growing Together”), and “Moonlight Mile” (from “Earthbound”), it stands as one of the original group’s finest recorded LP moments. On behalf of the fans, we thank you for that. Can you tell us your thoughts about “Poetry,” written by the team of Lambert & Potter.
John: Harvey Cooper, the award-winning record promotion executive, brought us “Hard Core Poetry” and “Harlem”. He always had great “ears.” I had been a big Lambert and Potter fan. Previously, I recorded their tunes “I Just Wanna Be Me” with Sisters Love (A&M, 1970) and “Like Monday Follows Sunday” with 5 Flights Up (Talent Associates, 1970). Notice that “Hard Core Poetry,” “No Love in The Room” and “Harlem” are all socially relevant tunes – an intentional departure. “Hard Core Poetry” also features “step out lines”: Marilyn first, Florence second, and then Billy.
Robert/FOREVER 5th DIMENSION: John, you obviously have great affinity for your time with The 5th Dimension, they were certainly known as the pinnacle of Pop-Soul if not all singing groups and its individual members, too, were household names. As noted, you’ve remastered the tunes you were involved with and shared some on YouTube. What draws you back to revisiting these gems?
John: When RCA interviewed me for a staff position in 1968, they asked me what kind of music I wanted to produce. I answered, “Something like The 5th Dimension!” That led me to produce The Friends of Distinction, The Hues Corporation, and more. I was living my dream! Later, being offered a chance to produce my favorite act of all, The 5th Dimension, was the rest of my dream come true! It’s my hobby to re-master all the songs I was involved with and bring them to the public in a refreshed way.
The 5th Dimension members were all consummate pros, and I will never forget the experience of working with each of them—Marilyn: Classy, a lady. Billy: Amazingly soulful and professional. Florence: Brains and beauty combined. LaMonte: Elegant and multi-talented. Ron (Townson): Very much fun to be with! He was full of good-natured mischief like when he pulled out a switchblade during rehearsal to clean his nails!
Robert/FOREVER 5th DIMENSION: How do you feel about the “Soul & Inspiration” project’s longevity and continued fan interest.
John: I’m proud of everyone involved with it. The major regret was not getting the chance to do a second album with The 5th Dimension. We were still learning how to work together, we had not yet reached our full potential. The 5th Dimension was adamant with me about not layering their vocals as was done previously, keeping the group blend more organic We did “sweeten” the end of choruses on “Hard Core Poetry” and the group on “The Best of My Love.” I really wanted to experiment more with new directions for us. I felt we were just getting started.
Very special thanks to John Florez who has been a friend to FOREVER 5th DIMENSION for many years. And our love to Marilyn & Billy, Florence and LaMonte.
Fans & Friends, if you enjoyed this special edition including a rare unvaulted release, please consider a tax-deductible donation to The America to Africa Higher Education Foundation. As Executive Director, I am so proud to have LaMonte on our Board and the kind support of Marilyn & Billy, Florence and their respective management. Visit us and see what we’re doing to make the dreams of gifted Nigerian collegiate scholars come true, uniting us cross-culturally, at: http://www.AmericatoAfricaHigherEducationFoundation.com
Forever 5th Dimension and “The Best of Our Love” edition by Arno, a production of The Soul of The Voice, Ltd., copyright 2008-2025, intellectual property, all rights reserved
Dateline March 18: Forever 5th Dimension is wishing a very happy 92nd birthday to the “man with the golden ears,” Grammy winning producer, Mr. Bones Howe. Do you know 3 of Bones’ favorite cuts by The Original 5th Dimension? They are “Summer’s Daughter” and “Black Patch”…not to mention “Never My Love.” Bones, I appreciate your mentorship over the years!
–Robert-Allan Arno
Our stars discuss the magic of Bones:
LaMonte exclaims, “I always encouraged Bones about his productions for The 5th Dimension, telling him: ‘Keep on doing what you’re doing, man!'” (Bones told FOREVER 5th DIMENSION, “Mac was the most supportive guy!”)
Florence notes, “Bones would find these tunes we’d never have considered, we were originally thinking more R & B, he’d bring us catchy Pop, the songs of Laura Nyro, and the music of Broadway, too.”
Marilyn shared, “I was off the road from touring due to minor surgery, and Bones invited me to the studio to hear what he did with The Independence Medley–‘The Declaration,” “A Change is Gonna Come,” and “People Gotta be Free” from the PORTRAIT album…it brought me to tears, I was astounded by the results!”
Billy rejoinders, “I always try to include my solo of ‘A Change’ in our live Marilyn & Billy shows.” Marilyn adds, “It’s a timeless message…and a highlight of our concerts.”
Forever 5th Dimension by Arno, featuring the Arno 5th Legacy Photo Collection, all rights reserved.
We are so sorry to note the sudden passing of music legend, Harry Elston of The Friends of Distinction. More than that, for six decades he was LaMonte McLemore of The 5thDimension‘s very best friend, and as well, a close, cherished friend to Marilyn & Billy@mccoodavis. Please join us in prayer for Harry’s wife, Yukari and his family, and for all—colleagues & friends—who loved and cherished Harry for his joyful optimistic manner, and the kindness, honesty and witty humor that were his trademark. Like his timeless musical legacy of “Grazin’ in the Grace” and so much more, his spirit will live forever. —Robert-Allan Arno
Marilyn & Billy share with Forever 5th Dimension this texted cute story in honor of their dear friend:“Hi Robert, thanks for your condolences and for honoring Harry on Forever 5th. He was in the group (The Hi-Fi’s) in the beginning when we toured with Ray Charles before The 5th Dimension formed. After The 5th got together and had some hits (‘Up-Up and Away,’ and our first Grammy), Harry said ‘I can do that!’ So, he formed The Friends of Distinction. They recorded ‘Grazin’ in the Grass’ (a major hit for them) and they took off! We all stayed in touch with one another. So sad…”
My personal reflection posted on Harry’s Facebook page: “Soar high, honored friend. Great memories and chats, both the Vegas book launch of LaMonte‘s memoir 10 years ago that we co-hosted onstage, and then the “Black is Beautiful” event last year where you MC’ed masterfully and brought us all up for a speech. Your kindness, honesty, and wit will not be forgotten, and your writing style whether a hit legacy song or the review of Mac’s memoir proudly in “our” book’s insert was stellar…a smart soul you were and continue to be, now with the angels. Just sayin’ (your slogan!)…with #Respect.” —Robert-Allan
(Pictured in Collage above: Top: A recent photo of best pals, Harry and LaMonte, The Friends of Distinction, Harry’s memoir, Bottom: The Hi-Fi’s with Harry left, Marilyn & LaMonte, right. Below: The Friends of Distinction ’73, The 5th Dimension ’70)
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